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Shapiro Medical Group FUE study: Comparing 0.9mm sharp vs. dull punch

Dr. Josephitis

Dr. Josephitis

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Things have settled back down for us at the office, so I thought I would recap a bit about the 2015 Chicago ISHRS Conference[/b] as it is now a few weeks ago already. As you all have most likely heard, the conference was very well attended and had many new and interesting talks for the beginner and advanced hair surgeon alike. A major topic of the meeting had to do with the risks and benefits of doing FUE vs. FUT (aka strip, FUSS). It appeared to us that FUT may not be dead yet, and that there is a place for FUT just as there is for FUE. Dr. Ron Shapiro and I had been working on a study with the risks and benefits of FUE in mind, and I was honored to be able to present it at the conference in the opening session. The title of the talk was: A side-by- side study of 20 consecutive FUE patients comparing the use of a 0.9mm sharp vs. dull punch. [/b] I wanted to give the community a summary of our most interesting findings. The complete study will hopefully be published in an upcoming issue of the FORUM journal for hair transplant physicians.

Introduction:

It is challenging to study graft survival and the overall growth of transplants. There have been studies done for FUT which have shown very high survival rates. The survival rates of FUE, on the other hand, have not been studied as well. And comparing the two has also been a challenge. We know that years ago the results of FUE were not as good as they are today. We also know with modern FUE techniques and the increased experience of physicians today that the results are much better. Many practitioners today actually tout that the results are just as good as those of FUT. We thought a good place to start looking was at FUE punch types. There has been much controversy over the type of punch over the years. There are manual, motorized, and robotic FUE. There are different techniques and types of equipment within those as well. One thing that all of those types have is that they employ either a sharp or a dull punch (aka blunt).

Study Design:

We used 20 consecutive FUE patients and made 200 attempts with both a 0.9 dull and sharp punch. We tattooed and photographed the area. While most of our results were immediate (we looked at the data), we also wanted to compare how the donor looked after it healed comparing one to the other. For all the patients, we were looking at transection rate, hairs per graft, yield, speed, [/b]and scarring[/b]. We also recorded various characteristics of patients looking at age, follicle length, hair curl, skin texture[/b], and so on. We wanted to see if one patient fared better with one type of punch over another.

Results:

Transection rate[/b]. Transected grafts are those that have one or more hair cut. This cut can be anywhere along the length of the hair. Basically, it is not perfectly intact like a non-transected hair. This was the most surprising of our results. Initially, we had our staff record all of the data (transected hairs, grafts) as they had been doing for us for years. We were quite pleased with our initial results, as we were getting transection rate of less than 5% for the sharp and less than 2% for the dull. Sometimes, we were even getting rates less than 1% for the dull. We were very pleased with ourselves as we were doing what others in the field were doing if not even better at times. We decided to look even closer at those transected grafts. At same time, we had to change the way we documented our grafts. We used a dedicated technician to only record what she saw and to then pass the grafts on to others to be counted and sorted as usual. When we did this our numbers changed dramatically. Our transection rate was around 20% for the sharp and around 6% for the dull. The percentage increased because we were looking at every single hair that was transected. Other physicians with much lower percentages may not be recording these transections in this careful of a manner. It was quite a difference from our original data. Having done FUE with excellent results for many years at Shapiro Medical Group[/b], we had old data from which we could draw. We thought, as with all of hair transplantation, that experience might play a part. We checked our data from almost a year prior with the data from the most recent cases and there was no change. Now, although these percentages look much higher, we are still uncertain how important these transected hairs are. Many physicians believe most of these hairs do grow back.

Speed [/b]was an interesting finding for us. We thought the sharp punch would be slightly faster in extraction but it wasn €™t as each type was actually the same. For sharp we found an average of 22 minutes (537 grafts/hour) while with the dull we also got 22 minutes (540 grafts/hour) to obtain 200 grafts.

Scarring and Graft quality[/b] was looked at as well comparing both types. We tattooed an area so we could accurately find the same spot on the patients €™ follow up. In addition to the scarring, we also looked at the general quality differences in the two types of punches. A couple of photos are included below that show how a majority of the dull grafts had more subtle fatty tissue below the bulbs of the grafts. Now, in some of the cases, there was virtually no difference between the two. As a rule though, we found more tissue with the dull punch. Also, below are a couple of photos of a patient with a closely cropped haircut. There is no difference here to be seen with the naked eye. On closer observation though, the dull appears to be spottier than the sharp. Again, for some patients, this magnified view showed no difference. The majority though, showed this slight difference.

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Conclusion:

Transection rate appeared to be higher in the sharp punch group compared to the dull. We still are unsure of how important this difference is. Many of the transected grafts may and do grow well in the donor and recipient area. At this time, we are unsure of how many of these grafts grow back. The speed was the same for both groups. Scarring was not very noticeable for both groups, but the sharp group tended to be a little less obvious. This might be because there were more transected grafts in this group.

This study doesn €™t immediately change the way we perform FUE at Shapiro Medical Group[/b]. We will continue to use the techniques and instruments we feel are most appropriate for each patient. We also use what we know will be in the patient €™s best interest giving the optimal results. Some patients will benefit from the use of the dull punch, while with others the sharp punch may give better and more consistent grafts.

This is a thought provoking study which does show differences in different types of instruments. In the future, we hope to use the patient characteristic data that we also recorded to see if one type of patient would benefit from one type over the other. It would be helpful to know this information before we even begin the FUE procedure.
 
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FUE GUY

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Dr Josephitis. Thanks for posting your findings on this study. I`d like to ask you a couple of questions.

1. The sharp punch grafts have less tissue around the bulb. Would this affect growth/survival rates?

2. The tissue itself. Could it be one punch disturbs the underlying tissue more causing it to wobble/move therefor not extracting the same?

3. Was it Motorized or Manual devices used?

Many thanks.
 
Dr. Josephitis

Dr. Josephitis

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FUE GUY,

1. The amount of tissue around a follicle may be an important factor. Studies in FUT (strip) grafts did show that "chubby" grafts did better than did "skeletonized" grafts in survival studies. That is why physicians always try to maintain a good amount of tissues around the grafts. Reasons for this may be that the additional tissue may protect the graft while it is being transplanted. Also, the slightly larger graft may contain very tiny grafts that are in the telogen or resting phase. This may be why chubbier grafts do better.
Still, as I mentioned, there were a few patients in the study where there was no difference between the two punches and it is not clear what was the reason for this.

2. Some proponents of the sharp punch argue that the dull punch can disturb the tissue and potentially injure grafts. The actual data is unknown at this time.

3. We used motorized 0.9mm sharp and blunt punches.
 
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FUE GUY

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Thanks for the answers to my questions. I will look forward to your ongoing findings with further studies.
 
DHI

DHI

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Interesting study Dr. Josephitis. Thank you for sharing the information, I`ll make our doctors aware of your findings.

Best wishes DHI.


 
Westcoaster

Westcoaster

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Dr. Josephitis I enjoyed reading your study findings. Research in this area will benefit doctor and patient alike.

What were the responses from the doctors at the Chicago conference?
 
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R Shapiromd

R Shapiromd

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I am glad david posted this study. More are needed to resolve some of the controversies about which FUE technique will be best for both maximizing recipient area survival and minimizing donor area scarring visibility. In reality it may be that different techniques will be better in different patients with different hair and skin characteristics.
 
Bigmac

Bigmac

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Hi Dr Josephitis, it's encouraging when clinics and doctors perform these kind of studies to further advance their Fue technique benefiting both clinic and patient. I know all patients are different, different types of skin,tissue etc but if a patient is a good candidate for surgery, which punch do you prefer to use?
Thanks for sharing the study.
Bm.
 
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Crudance2006

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Hi Dr Josephitis. Do you record on your patient charts which punch was used? If so which one was used on myself?
Regards Crudance.
 
Dr. Josephitis

Dr. Josephitis

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Crudance2006 wrote:
Hi Dr Josephitis. Do you record on your patient charts which punch was used? If so which one was used on myself?
Regards Crudance.

Crudance 2006,

We do record all we do on the charts. When we had done your FUE we were working primarily with the SAFE blunt punch. Actually, on yours we used an equal share of both 0.9 and 0.8mm sized punches and had no trouble with extraction.

For the majority of cases now, we use both types of punch (sharp and blunt) towards the beginning of the case to see which one works best and which one is getting the better quality grafts. At SMG we think it is important to customize the technique for the individual patient.
 
Dr. Josephitis

Dr. Josephitis

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Bigmac wrote:
Hi Dr Josephitis, it's encouraging when clinics and doctors perform these kind of studies to further advance their Fue technique benefiting both clinic and patient. I know all patients are different, different types of skin,tissue etc but if a patient is a good candidate for surgery, which punch do you prefer to use?
Thanks for sharing the study.
Bm.

That is a good question. I think our preference really changes over time. If there is an improvement in grafts with one type over the other one day, we will always go with the punch that that is superior. We test this for the majority of our patients every day. If the grafts are equal in quality with both types, then currently, we are using more of the sharp punch at this time. Last year, it was the blunt punch. For both, 0.9mm is our most common size.

Part of the study looked at which patient characteristics prefer one punch over the other. I think with more research, before we even begin a case, we might have a better idea of which type might work better.
 
Dr. Josephitis

Dr. Josephitis

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Westcoaster wrote:
Dr. Josephitis I enjoyed reading your study findings. Research in this area will benefit doctor and patient alike.

What were the responses from the doctors at the Chicago conference?

I feel we had very positive as well as constructive responses from the physicians in Chicago. Some, of course thought that the transection rate for the sharp punch could have been lower. Some comments towards that end recommended larger punch sizes or changing the depth and so on. Even though, I think this may have improved rates, we wanted to maintain a study comparing one size alone.

A majority of the feedback I received though, gave the impression that many are experiencing similar results. I had a few private discussions from other physicians who stated that their results for both punch types closely mirrored ours.
 
Westcoaster

Westcoaster

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It is very commendable that SMG are sticking to their findings, not increasing the punch size reinforces your credibility.
From what I've read it would seem a 1.mm punch is a good starting point for clinics reducing the size as they improve.
 
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Crudance2006

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Thanks Dr. Josephitis for the clarification on the punches used during my surgery. I'm very happy with how things have turned out.
 
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Crudance2006

Member
R Shapiromd wrote:
I am glad david posted this study. More are needed to resolve some of the controversies about which FUE technique will be best for both maximizing recipient area survival and minimizing donor area scarring visibility. In reality it may be that different techniques will be better in different patients with different hair and skin characteristics.

Hi Dr. Ron. Do you have a protocol in place for patients who you decide are not suitable for Fue?
 
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